[00:00:00] Speaker A: Trigger Warning. This episode of Dirty Roses Podcast contains discussions about murder, death and real life crimes. We understand that these topics can be sensitive or triggering and we want to prioritize the well being of our listeners. Please listen and watch at your discretion. If at any point in time you feel uncomfortable, we encourage you to take care of yourself in whatever way feels right. Dirty Roses Podcast cares about you and we appreciate you tuning in.
I'm Lela Ree.
[00:00:27] Speaker B: And I'm Nick B.
[00:00:29] Speaker A: Listen, we're just two single girls from the city of roses discussing all things love, lust and perception.
[00:00:34] Speaker B: And roses are a symbol of all things beautiful about love.
[00:00:38] Speaker A: But as you know, love can get a little dirty. So we're here to talk about it.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Dirty Roses Podcast starts now.
[00:00:44] Speaker A: Hey, I'm Lila Ree.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: And I'm Nick B.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: And welcome to Dirty Roses Podcast. Well, today we have an interesting topic.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: One like nothing before.
[00:00:55] Speaker A: Never had this topic before. And our guest, I love her. I know, she's amazing. So we met this young lady, this young woman, this amazing profiler of crime scene crime ridden stories.
[00:01:09] Speaker B: Chronicles.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: Chronicles.
We actually attended a conference in North Carolina. We talked about that in our recap. But we went to the Empowered Podcast conference and this amazing individual was one of the.
She was a presenter. The presenters, yes. And so she was talking about her experience with creating controversy online to gain her following with her amazing show. And she's here, the host of In Killing Color. Look at this beautiful face right here in Killing Color, Ms. Kendra Howell. How are you doing, boo?
[00:01:44] Speaker C: Hey, y'all. Hey.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: Snapshot. I love it. Oh, my goodness. So I actually fell in love with your personality during your presentation at the Empower conference. You were amazing. I loved how she talked about the controversy that you created by being snarky online and how it worked for you. Like, I know. I know a few people that it works for. Not me, because I get in my feelings real bad. If you say something back to me, I'm gonna be mad.
But I love how you took that, ran with it, gained your following, and then ran with it for your show, which is amazing concepts. So tell us about your show.
[00:02:24] Speaker C: Well, we are approaching year number three. Oh, and Killing Color, you know, those.
[00:02:34] Speaker A: Of you that can't see, she's got a really great backdrop. It's. Wait, I'm going to go off.
There you go. So for those of y'all on YouTube, you can see this amazing backdrop logo, all of her insignias, a couple bloodshots there.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: Yup, I see it.
[00:02:52] Speaker C: Let everybody know what type of time you on when they gonna run?
But yeah, no, I just, you know, maybe like three years. Obviously. Three years ago, I just randomly started listening to crime podcast. I don't know what put me there. I don't know how I got there, but I started listening, and I'm one of those girls that's like, if I see something, I'm gonna Google it and be like, ooh, let's see what these people look like. Because you probably shouldn't be killing people. And you look like that.
[00:03:19] Speaker A: So not you gotta be attracted to kill people or you gotta be unattractive.
[00:03:24] Speaker C: So it really depends on the case. So when I hear the case, I listen through the whole. I used to listen to the whole story and be like, see what they look like? And so I would look at it and be like, oh. But then the more I kept looking, I'm like, where. Where are we?
I know we do stuff because we hear it every day, but it was just kind of like.
[00:03:50] Speaker A: It'S a weird. So I listened to quite a few episodes, and I had to stop listening because you got real graphic on a few of them. I was like, lord Jesus.
But you talked about the desire to want to see black serial killers or at least have their stories highlighted. But I liked how you worded it because you were saying, if we don't highlight them, their victims are also not being told. Their stories aren't being told. And so that was a really informative moment for me because I was like, we need to hide these black serial killers.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: But I also feel like, statistically speaking, are there as many black serial killers as everywhere else or everyone else?
[00:04:28] Speaker C: Tbqh. There's probably more, really. But I guess if you go based on the textbook definition of serial killer, it's. You have to. The textbook definition is you have to have unalived more than three people.
Like, not at. Not at the same day. So a mass shooting does not count.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: Okay, so there's stipulations.
[00:04:55] Speaker C: Monday, Wednesday, Friday, every other day, at least.
At very least a variation of days. But. So when I started looking into that, and I was like, you know, I literally sat on my computer and googled black serial killers. And obviously, we know the first one that came up was the DC sniper, right? Which I will probably never talk about him, because to me, he's not a serial killer. He was a terrorist. That's what he's labeled at.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: But he killed multiple people on different days. But isn't that the definition or at least a definition?
[00:05:38] Speaker C: It is if we're. If we're going to be technical technically, kid, but based on news and all the information, he was kind of like he was a terrorist. More so because he didn't just kill like one or two people one week. One week when we went, he killed like five or six people a day.
[00:06:00] Speaker A: Oh, sure.
[00:06:01] Speaker C: So that's more of like a math. That's more of like a. You're terrorizing people, you're riding around with the blick back of your trunk. That's not the same thing.
[00:06:13] Speaker A: But so. So rumor has it though, and this kind of fits into our topic today of deadly love, right? The rumor was, is that he killed all those people as a cover because he was really trying to kill his ex. Was that true? I know we're not going to talk about him, but we're talking about.
[00:06:30] Speaker C: Maybe it might have been true about the man who, like, groomed him to kill people. But Lee Malvo was like 15, I don't believe. And he was from Haiti. He was the orphan. He came up here. Long story short, he ended up with Buddy. But there was really no way, like he. The shooter was not.
No.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Gotcha. Okay.
[00:06:51] Speaker C: The other man, if you get into it, he's done like manifestos, he's done all these things saying, oh, I hate the government, I hate this. I hate.
[00:06:59] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:07:01] Speaker C: It was more of like, I don't want to do it, but I got somebody that I can get to do it.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: So just so that I have a better background of you. Do you have a background like in criminal justice? How did you develop a passion for reporting these specific stories?
[00:07:20] Speaker C: No, I do not. My background is in marketing.
[00:07:25] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:07:28] Speaker C: So long story short, I had a best friend have a best friend had me and her used to watch 48 Hours, all these things together.
So maybe, matter of fact, I'll tell you the date. September 19, 2022. I saw her. She came to. I had a pop up shop and she came, her and her man.
That was the last time I ever saw her.
Maybe in February of 20.
Whatever, whatever February was. After that, I saw her and I started getting text messages and they were just kind of weird, kind of not in place. And I was like, I know how we talk. We've been talking for years and this is not how you sound.
And then maybe two weeks later, I got a text from her mom that was like, she's missing. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, you know, because she was a jokester, so we just thought maybe she just like ducked off, was trying to not be involved in nothing. And then it was real. So me and two of my other friends got in this group chat. Two of the other people that were really close with her, we started, like, investigations on our own. Like, I. It sounds bad, but I really. I never cared. I told the detectives I hacked her email. I hacked her. Everything that she had, her icloud, I hacked it all because I didn't know what was going on. You know, we found these things. We found property locations for this man. We found. A long story short, we didn't hear anything from her. It was a year and a half. I was at work. I got a phone call from the detective, and she was like, yeah, we found her.
We found her skull on the side of the highway in Georgia, probably about five or six miles away from his house.
So they set him up by putting a drawing on the news. Like, this is a missing woman. And if anybody knew who she was, the picture looked like her, but it looked like her as a Hispanic woman.
So they were stopping people in a traffic stop. He got stopped. He got arrested. So he's currently still sitting in jail right now.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: Who was he to her?
[00:09:47] Speaker C: It was her boyfriend, was her fiance.
[00:09:51] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:09:51] Speaker C: But he was also still married.
And so now for me, when they had the bail hearing, maybe six or seven months later, you know, his wife was like, oh, my kids have ptsd. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, but, girl.
[00:10:10] Speaker B: So does the whole victim's family.
[00:10:12] Speaker C: You're probably involved, too, because your man is out here driving a car that you know is not his. Oh, he had a whole nother residence that, you know, was not only his property records show. If you really would like me to get into it. Your man had these properties, and you wasn't involved in it.
So he didn't give me. At this point, there's no information. But yeah, she.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: So you say that he's still currently sitting. Do you. Has he been sentenced or is he still waiting sentence?
[00:10:42] Speaker C: He hasn't even started trial yet.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: What's the holdup of over. It's now been two years.
[00:10:48] Speaker C: I don't know. She. When I. Because I still talk to the detective because after a while, I was the only one she would talk to out of our friends because everybody else was a little bit more emotional. And for me, that's why I was able to. That's why I'm able to get into these cases like this, because I'm not emotional about stuff like that. I'm just kind of like, well, what's the team.
[00:11:08] Speaker B: These are the facts.
[00:11:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: So Was anything that you found in hacking all of her stuff? Was any of that used to help find her? Like, they use that. Oh, wow.
[00:11:17] Speaker C: So we, you know, we. That's why. The main reason why me and my friends share our location now is because of that. But we went in her email and we found she had a brand. We knew. Everybody knew her email was Cheer Girl 7. So she cheered into high school. So when we saw the emails, that was a whole nother name. We were like, that's weird. So we went in there, and there was some Uber receipts from her last location, all this stuff. And so we saw it, and it was just kind of like, well, this is where she last was.
So I lied and called the place, and I was like, I'm a detective and I need.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: Wait, wait. So that actually brings me to another really interesting question I have is how are you getting all this information, this detailed information about cases that are not right, that the general public is not as privy to? How do you get this?
[00:12:09] Speaker C: A lot of the times, a lot of the cases I get, I get literally from Facebook. It's weird. People will tell their whole life on Facebook. And Kendra has been on Facebook since Facebook started.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: Okay, facts. Oh, gee, 2005 and 6, right? Okay, listen.
You had to have a college email to get on.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, you did. I think mine is still linked.
[00:12:34] Speaker C: I would message the family. If I see a case and I'm talking about something, I'm messaging them. Heads up. Hey.
I'm going into the comments because the further you. I'm a, like, digger. The further you get into the comments, the more you'll find out. You can. If you continually spit. I spend. I spent hours going down a rabbit hole. That's how I in this. Technically broke into this whole thing with. With Crime podcast because my friend was friends with Shanquella Robinson. Right.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:13:07] Speaker C: So she texted me and was like, I. Something happened. So when she told me that, I went to that, I went to that, and I just kept digging. But at the time, nobody had heard about it. It hadn't come out yet.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: Oh. Oh, so you were, like, amongst the first to have all the details.
[00:13:25] Speaker C: Yeah. So I was literally one of the first one or two people to even speak on it.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: So for people who are not aware of this case, can you share a little bit about that case?
[00:13:35] Speaker C: So Shankrila is a hairstylist from Charlotte, and she went to Cabo with her friends for her birthday, and she never came home.
They found her.
I'm. What am I supposed. How am I supposed to talk on here. Like, what can I say?
[00:13:54] Speaker B: You can.
[00:13:57] Speaker C: So she was dead.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: She gotta say she was dead.
I know, right? I know, right?
[00:14:07] Speaker B: She had died.
[00:14:09] Speaker C: But the thing that I was able to get from my friends, that I was not able to get from everybody else was my friend. One of my friends is friends with one of the people that was there.
And they saw the phone video of the fight.
[00:14:27] Speaker A: Gotcha.
[00:14:28] Speaker C: But they told me I couldn't post it. So I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna do it, but I'm gonna talk about it.
So the more I talked about it, that was right when I had first started up on Tick Tock. And I think I went from like 100 followers to like 12 or 13,000 within like, two wow. Like two wow.
[00:14:50] Speaker A: Because it was a hot topic. I mean, watching the friend group beat up their friend, and then the friend disappeared and didn't come home. And they. Nobody knew anything.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: And everybody was kind of nonchalant about it.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:01] Speaker C: Like, they were at the club. Like, I posted a video maybe a year, a year and a half ago of the girl getting beat up outside the club. Like, now I've heard from one of the people that know that girl, that girl has left and she's in Jamaica. She's not coming back.
[00:15:21] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. See, Diddy should have followed suit. He didn't move fast enough, did he? Should have been in Bali.
[00:15:29] Speaker B: He should have left. Back when they were raiding his house.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: He should have slid his last song on that baby oil all the way to Jamaica.
Sweet.
Just going, so what is. What is, like, the wildest, like, love, deadly love story that you've heard or researched?
[00:15:52] Speaker C: Oh.
[00:15:54] Speaker A: Oh, she's like, I got this.
[00:15:56] Speaker C: I would say the wildest one was this lady. I can't remember her name because I've done so many, but I remember the details. She was with this man, and they had two kids or whatever. So long story short, they had a little thing. They had, like, a little card party at their house one day, and then they went home, they were both hammered. Came home, got into an argument, fought, he pushed her over. She hit her head on the glass table, and she died.
Okay, cool.
[00:16:34] Speaker A: Sounds. Sounds realistic.
[00:16:36] Speaker C: But she said.
[00:16:39] Speaker A: But what had happened was.
[00:16:40] Speaker C: At which point he then got her oldest daughter at the time, who was 12, to help him pick her up, drag her into the room because he didn't want the other kids to see.
And then the next day, which was Christmas day, uh, he takes her, puts her on the couch.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: Not he sets her up for presents.
[00:17:08] Speaker C: Puts a pair of shades on her, sits her upright, and has her sitting there while her children are opening.
[00:17:16] Speaker B: I cannot. Were they tossing gifts to the mom? Like, here, mom, this one's for you.
How did that go?
[00:17:24] Speaker C: I would actually hope not, because I don't want to laugh because it's a terrible situation that has me cackling on the inside.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: So, okay, that was Shorty Lowe before Shelty Lowe. Cause they drove that man to all the strip clubs.
Okay? We're not supposed to laugh about this. This is not like.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: I don't mean to make it funny, but when you set somebody up to open Christmas gifts, like, that's wild.
[00:17:51] Speaker C: Let's see. This is the thing. That's how my show started doing what it was doing. Because, yeah, it's fucked up, but there's also.
There's something funny about that.
And so. And a lot of people.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: We going to hell. We are.
[00:18:09] Speaker A: I'm driving the bus. I ain't got a seat to drive the bus. So it's okay.
[00:18:13] Speaker C: But it's like.
[00:18:16] Speaker B: So in. In your research of different cases that you've had a chance to kind of dive into, what would you say the most common reason for romantic killings are? Or killings that are based behind relationship and love?
[00:18:31] Speaker C: Rejection.
[00:18:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:36] Speaker A: Sometimes.
[00:18:37] Speaker C: Melody, less times than not, it's less than infidelity. It's mostly rejection.
[00:18:44] Speaker A: Like, stop rejection.
[00:18:45] Speaker C: Like, we was together, let's break up. It's not working. No. Bitch, you about to stay with me. No, I'm not. Well, you'll die.
[00:18:53] Speaker A: Damn.
[00:18:53] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: Wow. Well, I know normally we start these episodes and we have stories.
[00:19:00] Speaker A: I had none.
[00:19:01] Speaker B: I do have one. Oh, not one. That I was like, bitch, who you kill? I ain't kill nobody. This time.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: This.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: This time, no. But. So maybe.
Maybe like 10 years ago or so, I used to work at a hotel.
And at the hotel, I was the night auditor. So I worked by myself overnight at the front desk, checking in late arrivals, running reports, audits, all that. And at my hotel at that hour was only myself and the one maintenance man, this nice African guy. You know, I didn't understand him having time.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: Sounds bad already, but was he conflicted?
[00:19:45] Speaker B: He was conflicted.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Conflicted.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: So I am working with this man for a couple months, and, you know, we. We interact a little bit. I need towels. Can you bring this to room? This, you know, whatever. Nothing more than that. And then one day, he's no longer at work. So I'm asking, whatever happened to Mr. Man? Where is he at? How come we haven't seen him in a while. Like, you didn't hear? No. So allegedly, allegedly, he and his wife were going through a divorce, and she was prepared to take the children. They had two small children.
And he decided that if I can't have them, neither can you and neither can anybody. So he killed his two children.
And he was able to kill his two children because he was first fighting with the wife who was trying to protect them. But he ended up either pushing her into something somewhere in this brawl. She hit her head, and she was completely unconscious and actually in a coma at the time that her children were buried, so she couldn't even go to their burial.
So mom is in the hospital in a coma.
Both children, unfortunately, are unalived, and pops is now in jail. And I was just like, yo. And I was working with this man by myself. Oh, it was terrifying. But that's my old. That's my closest example of working with anybody in that capacity.
[00:21:27] Speaker C: Yeah, it's definitely given for colored girls. And you know what I'm talking about.
[00:21:32] Speaker B: No, for sure. Definitely giving Ledge, but. And so that's why it gave Ledge. But what I'm. That's kind of where my question was going was, do you see that most of these passion crimes, are they around power? Are they bound? You said rejection. So I didn't know what this guy. If it was only rejection or if it was also the. The power struggle of, you can't have them, they're mine. So it was just. It was interesting to me.
[00:22:01] Speaker C: There's a lot of that in the. Well, if I can't have you, nobody will. Like, that happens a lot.
I ultimately think that the majority of crimes that revolve around, like, relationships and stuff are crimes of passion. Honestly, like in the he. The moment, like, yeah, maybe I might go upside my husband head like, you ain't.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: I got another one.
I do have another story.
Okay.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: So I'm so concerned when we get.
[00:22:34] Speaker B: Off, when we're off air, I'm gonna give you names because I need you to research some stuff for me because I got more questions.
[00:22:39] Speaker C: We get off, get on my FaceTime with either phone.
[00:22:44] Speaker A: She got 85 phones.
[00:22:46] Speaker C: She said, I got two phones.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Another one was a friend of mine who I grew up with. He was actually really close friends with my younger brother. So we grew up together as kids all through probably middle school to high school era. And do I know this person? No, you don't.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:23:05] Speaker B: So this person would stay the night and, you know, he was my brother. He's one of My brother's best friends. Eventually he and his family moved. They used to live nearby here, but they did move, and we found out maybe five or six years later. Justin. Hey, how's your mom? How's your dad? They're like, well, mom's in prison because mom got tired of dad and went upside his head with a hammer last night.
And I'm like, who are you? You think you know somebody. But that absolutely happened with a close, personal friend where mom. I don't really know what was going on with the parents, really. That's why I was like, we need to do some digging here. I don't really know how they got to that point.
[00:23:48] Speaker A: The two degrees of separation between you and murderers is making me very uncomfortable right now.
[00:23:53] Speaker C: I really want to get into separation degrees. I'm probably at, like, half a degree. I have lots of stories of people.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: You know, personally that these sort of passion crimes have happened to.
[00:24:04] Speaker C: Quite a few. Quite a few.
[00:24:06] Speaker B: Wow. It. So it happens more common than not.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: Oh, God.
[00:24:09] Speaker C: It really does. It really does. What?
[00:24:11] Speaker B: What do you think? What do you think most people snap trigger because you say it happens so commonly. Like, I can't fathom, but I think.
[00:24:20] Speaker C: It'S like more of the. It's not the actual, like, the cheating aspect, because a lot of us can talk about it, do. Do get over it or not, but I think it's more of the I'm about to leave you thing.
[00:24:37] Speaker A: And that's that rejection piece you're talking about.
[00:24:39] Speaker C: How dare you cheat on me. And then you're gonna leave? I don't think so.
[00:24:44] Speaker B: Right. You can do one or the other, but not both.
[00:24:47] Speaker C: You can cheat on me. I might kick it. I might have a conversation with you, but at which point, you're actually not about to go be with that girl. Like, I hate on both y'all.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: But you can't leave me for the person you cheated with. Like, that's the whole thing.
[00:25:03] Speaker C: No, and I do think that. I mean, in majority of the stuff, like, it's just kind of. But a lot of it, when it comes to the. Like, the serial killers, a lot of it is, like, sexual deviancy, honestly.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: So how many of those happen during sex? Like, are there, like, the strangulations and the.
I guess it's asphyxiation, first of all.
[00:25:30] Speaker B: I can't imagine about ready to get one off, and then you just die because they're still ahead of you.
[00:25:35] Speaker A: I feel like Law and Order SVU has made a very good point to have that be a common Theme sometimes. So let Ice tea tell it. Somebody's getting asphyxiated. Yes, yes.
[00:25:47] Speaker B: With a belt, usually.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: But how does that, how often is that?
[00:25:50] Speaker C: I don't. I mean, the stuff that I've researched and looked up, a lot of it is not like, like, oh, we're in the act of it and choke, die.
It's not that, but it's more so of like a.
Well, after we've done our thing, you can't tell nobody, so you gotta go.
It's like a.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: Do you have an example?
[00:26:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I do.
[00:26:19] Speaker A: Okay.
But of course I do.
[00:26:23] Speaker C: Her name was. This was old. This was the very. This was probably one of the oldest cases. This might be the second or third oldest case that I saw. And her name was Hannah Tabbs.
And she. This took place back in. It was in like New Orleans. It was in the late 1800s.
[00:26:44] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:26:46] Speaker C: She was a. She was dark skinned lady. She was a baby from some rich white dude and a black lady slave. And the lady was like, well, I can't keep the baby. So they ended up giving her out. Long story short, she ended up in Louisiana and she met up with another man.
They got together, the man was white, they were together and then she decided to get on with another man. It was a younger guy and he was like Creole or something. So he's like light skinned, blah, blah, blah.
So she brings the man to her house, she brings them into her house, they do what they do. And she's like, hey, you gotta get ready to go. Cause my husband about to come home. And he's like, huh.
So husband comes home, Hannah's like, stay out here. To the husband, she goes back dead, dismember to the dude that she just.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: Messed with in the back room.
[00:27:54] Speaker C: Did chop up, yank, yank, yank. Wrapped him up in brown parchment paper, threw his ass in the river.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: Parchment paper.
[00:28:01] Speaker A: Because the math ain't mathing. So he, her husband came home and she was like, hey, baby, stay in the living room. And then she went unalived. Somebody chopped him up, wrapped him up, took him out back in the river. And the husband's just.
[00:28:14] Speaker B: The husband was just sitting on the.
[00:28:15] Speaker C: Couch about the whole story. She made her husband take care of Jesus out.
[00:28:22] Speaker B: So he, the husband knew what was going on. He listened to all this take place in the next room.
[00:28:29] Speaker C: He knew that Hannah, what was the.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: Point of killing him?
[00:28:31] Speaker C: He knew Hannah wasn't about nothing. He knew she was trash.
[00:28:34] Speaker A: Damn, Hannah.
[00:28:35] Speaker C: But Hannah went.
[00:28:36] Speaker A: She.
[00:28:36] Speaker C: I must have had something.
[00:28:39] Speaker A: She had that.
[00:28:40] Speaker C: Go, go.
[00:28:42] Speaker A: What do you call that the 1800s. The gocus. The gocus.
[00:28:46] Speaker C: The swallow.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: That's probably what it was. The th at the end to make it 18th century.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: All of that. All of that.
Oh, my goodness.
[00:28:59] Speaker C: Yeah. So it took a while. It took maybe like two or three years before the body to show up. And then. Oh, let me show you. Here, go. This is what Hannah look like.
Oh, God dang it. Sorry. My nails too long, child.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: Here.
[00:29:12] Speaker C: Go Hannah.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:29:16] Speaker B: Oh. First of all, Hannah's giving face, right?
[00:29:22] Speaker A: Madam C.J. walker's client.
[00:29:24] Speaker B: She was a client.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: She was definitely a client.
[00:29:26] Speaker C: She was getting that hair laid, and it's giving whatever. The girl that created the perm, because she was with it.
[00:29:33] Speaker A: She said she was about that life. She said she didn't burn her head up a little bit too much.
[00:29:40] Speaker C: Hannah only got like 10 or so years, like, maybe less.
[00:29:47] Speaker B: Like, did they explain her sentence and why it was so light?
[00:29:50] Speaker C: They ended up giving the man her husband. Yeah.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: Because he's a man. And so he's looked at to be stronger and more capable one. Especially for that time period.
Yo, he should have left her. Like, if I was the husband sitting in the living room and I'm hearing slashity slash, slash, I'd have been like, it's time to go. Like, we don't stick around.
[00:30:13] Speaker A: What white man in the 18th century was going to take the fall for a black woman killing another black person?
[00:30:18] Speaker B: Wasn't he? He was Creole, right?
[00:30:20] Speaker C: The one that was getting that. That mouth.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: Swallow, Swallow.
[00:30:27] Speaker A: She sucked his soul out of the body.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: The soul was gone. If they had cash app, he'd send it at that point.
[00:30:35] Speaker A: So how many. How many serial killers are actually women?
[00:30:42] Speaker C: Funny you should ask. Okay, there. According to my information, the last time I looked, which was last year, because I still have a list, a whole list to go through. I counted 372.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Wow. Black and black black women. 372 black women that considered that is here.
[00:31:06] Speaker C: Like, America, Africa, like, globally.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: Oh, wait, so you. You study international crimes as well? I do want to hear. Okay, this is going.
[00:31:19] Speaker C: You want to hear something about a lady from Africa?
[00:31:21] Speaker A: Because I was like, yes, she.
[00:31:22] Speaker B: You know, she does.
[00:31:23] Speaker A: I did. Because I was like, what spear did she throw at Jumbuku?
[00:31:28] Speaker C: And why I have in the episode. I'm not sure what number it is, but her name is Clementine Barnebet. She was from Ghana, and she was a.
Like a princess. Whatever. Long story short, she used men for sex, and then after she had sex with them, she killed them. Fix Their bodies and use them for furniture.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: That took Black Widow to a whole new level.
[00:31:56] Speaker C: And she was.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: She was 17.
[00:32:00] Speaker A: How many did she kill by the age of 17?
[00:32:03] Speaker C: Based on what I saw, I. The last time I looked at it, it was like 25.
[00:32:09] Speaker A: And these are all men that she slept with.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: So all of them were trash, basically. She was like, your dick is whacking. Your dick is whack and your dick is whack.
[00:32:17] Speaker A: But wait, hold on. Her body count at 17 has like quadrupled mine at 41.
[00:32:23] Speaker B: That just means she knows what she wants out of life. And it wasn't any of them.
[00:32:29] Speaker C: I think I said on the show.
[00:32:31] Speaker B: Like, yeah, she said, wow. But do. Did it. Did they say why into furniture? Was that just how she was disguising them?
[00:32:40] Speaker C: I mean, she would use them as like furniture prior to them being dead anyway.
[00:32:46] Speaker B: Wait a minute. What does she like, Just sit real still. We're gonna make you a couch.
[00:32:51] Speaker C: Get on there all fours and arch. And she would sit on their damn back.
[00:32:54] Speaker B: Oh, that's kinky.
[00:32:55] Speaker A: That's BDSM type in Africa. That's a whole level of she.
[00:33:02] Speaker B: She has some kinks and freaks, clearly.
[00:33:06] Speaker A: Did she skim them? Like, did she rub the lotion in and gets the hose again, like with the skin? Like, what did she do? Like, she turned the skin into leather.
[00:33:14] Speaker C: On the couch or she didn't pull an egg ging. She didn't skin and use as covering. She used the actual body.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: Were people skinned sitting on said furniture? Like, come over to my home, have some tea, pull up a chair of person.
[00:33:33] Speaker C: At this point, it was like 1700s in Africa. Nobody knows.
[00:33:40] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness, that's crazy. And she was a princess.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: But there's, but there's record of this.
[00:33:44] Speaker C: I mean, you can definitely look it up. I'll send it to you when we get off. Absolutely.
[00:33:49] Speaker B: Interesting.
[00:33:51] Speaker A: I. I think you've made my co host a new serial killer interest.
[00:33:55] Speaker B: I'm intrigued. I'm absolutely. I mean, it's always interest. Interesting. It's sad, it's unfortunate, but I mean, much like you, I think that there's a hint of sarcasm to me, and then also just being emotionally unattached to the story.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: This is why you're single.
She's emotionally unattached and she relates to serial killers.
[00:34:16] Speaker B: Not really relates. It's just they're fascinating. The understanding the whys behind some stuff is exactly.
[00:34:23] Speaker C: That's my main thing. Like, I just really want to know, why would you do that? Like, what were you going through that was like, you know what, you finna die?
[00:34:32] Speaker B: Well, that's like, I'm still stuck on the. I'm still stuck on the woman at Christmas time. Like sitting there with glasses on in the dead of winter, opening up gifts with the kids. And she's not here.
[00:34:43] Speaker A: We watched the Weekend at Bernie's way too much.
[00:34:45] Speaker C: I think I just found it. I think I just found it. Oh, here it was. Her name was Zazel Preston.
[00:34:52] Speaker B: Ah. And those kids are probably still in.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: Therapy today, if not killing people.
[00:34:57] Speaker B: That was the. That was the one who was sitting on the couch.
[00:34:59] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:35:00] Speaker B: At Christmas.
[00:35:01] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: Oh, that's so sad.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: That is sad.
[00:35:04] Speaker C: So I also had found a picture of her, the crime scene photo of her sitting on the couch with the glasses.
[00:35:10] Speaker B: I need to see that because I.
[00:35:11] Speaker A: Feel like I'm gonna give you her email address. Cause I don't want that in the Dirty Roses inbox. You send that directly to her.
[00:35:19] Speaker C: In my head, while I was talking to my producer, while we were talking about it, I was like, you know, and I felt bad after I said it, but it was just kind of like, I don't know what else to say. It was giving very much Weekend at Bernie.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: Right, right. We agree.
I just want to know, like, did the husband think that he didn't want to ruin Christmas? He didn't want to, yeah. He was like, I know I killed mom.
[00:35:41] Speaker C: That's Christmas.
[00:35:43] Speaker B: But Christmas is still on.
[00:35:44] Speaker C: He said that in his statement. I didn't want to ruin Christmas, so.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: But you had your 12 year old pull the dead body to the bedroom first.
[00:35:53] Speaker B: Right. So if nothing else, she knew.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: So then the 12 year old's like, yeah, bitch, open this Christmas present for Mom. Like, ha.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: To Tammy from Mom. Allegedly.
I can't.
I cannot.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: What? What?
[00:36:13] Speaker C: I mean, I could literally do a 12 part series on people that I know that have unalived somebody and that are in jail or dead right now.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: Like people that you know personally.
[00:36:27] Speaker C: Personally, Like I'm. And when I say personally, I'm not talking about like, oh, that's somebody that used to come to my job. No, I mean like ex boyfriend. I mean like friends from college that I had a close relationship with in college. Yeah.
[00:36:40] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: So I have a question about the word unalived. Because I feel like only in maybe the last five years, handful of years, am I seeing the word unalived more than someone was killed or someone was murdered. They'll say they were unalived. What is the political purpose behind using that language?
[00:37:02] Speaker C: That's basically so we don't get our videos taken down.
[00:37:06] Speaker B: So you can't say the word killed, man. It's gonna get taken down.
[00:37:09] Speaker C: So here's where it is, like, quirky, because when I first started, like, I would see people saying. And mostly unalive at the time was about self unaliving.
I saw that on TikTok. So I was like, okay, I can see that.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: To avoid, like, conversations about.
[00:37:28] Speaker C: Right, okay. But I took the word and was like, I like that. I'm gonna start saying that because I feel like when I looked in the comments. Because I'm gonna look in the comments, the comments, everybody was kind of like, oh, don't say that. That's a terrible word. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like.
I said, that's a controversial word. I'm about to say it.
[00:37:50] Speaker B: See, can't tell me nothing.
[00:37:52] Speaker A: And it worked for her.
We about to unalive this shit right here. We just start saying that shit.
[00:37:58] Speaker C: Mic drop ended up working.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Okay, I. I wonder, are there geriatric episodes of Murder and Love Passion crimes?
[00:38:11] Speaker B: Hold still. Evil. Oh, like that.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: Like, Maybe, you know, Mr. Biggs came out with his cane sword.
[00:38:19] Speaker C: I could just see Rusty phone real quick. And I'm about to show you something.
[00:38:27] Speaker A: Just so y'all that can't see this. Y'all are gonna need to go and.
[00:38:31] Speaker C: Watch this, because she's showing examples, you know what? So I know I have my little background on, so it's probably not gonna show up. However, yes, I do have one.
There was a person, a transgender man. I don't. I don't want to say anything wrong.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: But man to woman or woman to man?
[00:38:54] Speaker C: Woman.
Man to woman.
[00:38:57] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:38:58] Speaker B: They.
[00:39:00] Speaker C: I think that they.
[00:39:03] Speaker B: We're just gonna put a button on.
[00:39:04] Speaker C: It, but for me, and my research is giving she. Because that's what she said. So, Marcel, is she. So the name is Marceline Harvey. Okay, so Marceline Harvey went to jail in 2015 or 16 for murder, of course, but Marceline had already been in jail for murder for 20 years prior to doing that.
Marceline, 20, prior to. Came out at 70 70s, 6 or 77 years old.
[00:39:45] Speaker B: She ain't learned no lessons.
[00:39:47] Speaker C: She gets out. So here. This is going to be a gag. This. It's not. I hate to say that, but that's what it is.
[00:39:54] Speaker A: So the visual of a drag queen at 70 killing people right now is just killing me.
[00:39:58] Speaker C: She meets. She goes on a app and meets some people, you know, friends, whatever. That's where she went wrong with this white lady. She meets the white lady had the white lady come back to her little apartment in Brooklyn. Whatever. Whatever. Long story short, a couple hours later, Marceline comes out with a little. A little bag, heads to Home Depot.
It's whatever. So she's riding around Home Depot in a fucking hover around like.
[00:40:29] Speaker A: Wait, wait, hold on.
[00:40:30] Speaker B: The scooters. The. For the elderly and disabled?
[00:40:33] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:40:34] Speaker B: Oh, it was fully charged.
[00:40:40] Speaker C: By. Whole day goes by, nothing happens. So the family of the lady reports her missing, and they're like, we ain't seen her in a couple days. Blah, blah, blah, blah. So the police pull up the cctv. So they see her, Marceline, and the lady going into the apartment. They see Marceline coming out with a flower bag. Two days later, they found the flower bag maybe four or five blocks away with a head in it.
And then they look around a little bit more. Two blocks later, it's two goddamn legs in there.
[00:41:16] Speaker B: Did you say two boxes later?
[00:41:18] Speaker C: Two blocks later.
And then there's some legs in there.
So then they're like, that's that same bag we saw. They go back in the house. The rest of the body parts are in the house.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:41:34] Speaker C: And here's the gag that made me laugh.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: I cannot close my mouth.
[00:41:39] Speaker C: I felt bad. I didn't want to laugh, but I had to when I mentioned that she was on the hover round.
She was on the hover round in Home Depot, right?
Buying trash bags.
[00:41:59] Speaker A: Circular saws.
[00:42:03] Speaker C: The same floral bag that had said head in it in Home Depot.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: I just see her with her cane, knocking stuff off the carts. Put it in. Like, I need that there.
[00:42:16] Speaker A: Give me this. Don't forget. It's got to be a glittery claim because you was drag queen.
[00:42:21] Speaker C: It was a gag.
Of course she went to jail. She's never getting out.
But she was already, like, almost 80.
[00:42:30] Speaker B: So she got another life sentence. How you do life? Come out, kill life, and then go back.
[00:42:37] Speaker C: That's that. But that's the gag. That's the part that, like, gagged me. Like, you was in jail. You had a life sentence. You did your 25 years, got out.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: And did it again.
[00:42:47] Speaker C: And did it again.
[00:42:48] Speaker B: She ain't learned nothing. She wasn't reformed.
[00:42:51] Speaker C: I am. She missed her friends, she said, I just wanted to. But she didn't know that lady.
[00:42:57] Speaker A: She. She missed her friends in jail.
[00:42:59] Speaker B: Okay, so she had no. What was. Did it say, a motive behind this particular individual, why they were not doing it now? She just had the need.
[00:43:10] Speaker C: She just wanted to do it. There's a lot of serial killers Like, I've. There's just a lot of serial killers based on my research, that just do it because they just feel like they just want to fucking do it.
[00:43:22] Speaker B: So then does that go back to mental health issues? I mean, like, if you have an urge, it's a mental health issue? Well, I mean. Well, no, not even just like that, because some people, like, have a craving.
[00:43:34] Speaker A: One person who killed someone that ain't had no mental health issues.
[00:43:37] Speaker B: I'm not saying. What I'm trying to understand is, like, is it a craving how we're like, oh, I'm in the mood for ice cream. I'm craving ice cream. Or. You know what I mean? Like, is it normal to have a craving to kill somebody? Or is that a lot of serial.
[00:43:49] Speaker C: Killers that have killed people that did not have mental issues, they did it just because they felt like.
[00:43:58] Speaker B: Right. That's what. That's kind of what I was trying to say.
[00:44:01] Speaker A: But my thing isn't impulse control still, like a mental health disorder of some sort. That's like an impulse.
[00:44:07] Speaker B: That's not impulse. When you are rolling at seven miles an hour down aisle three, that's not impulsive.
[00:44:13] Speaker A: That's as impulsive as Myrtle could get. Or Merceline.
[00:44:16] Speaker B: That's.
[00:44:16] Speaker A: That's about as impulsive as she. She was impulsive enough to get onto the scooter and she had a little. Little tag. She thought it through.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: She thought it through and she backed.
[00:44:25] Speaker A: Up and she was like.
[00:44:26] Speaker B: She knew she wanted the flower bag versus the one with stripes. She thought it through. She did back up a few times. She missed. She probably asked for directions around Home Depot because.
[00:44:36] Speaker C: Let's just be clear, baby.
[00:44:39] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:44:41] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:44:41] Speaker C: I need help.
[00:44:43] Speaker B: Okay. She thought that through. That was not impulsive.
[00:44:46] Speaker A: But that's crazy.
[00:44:48] Speaker C: The actual killing psycho was impulsive because that. That shit came after the person was already dead.
[00:44:55] Speaker B: Oh, so she bought the stuff to.
[00:44:57] Speaker A: Hide the body.
[00:45:01] Speaker B: To. From what I've read and heard about people that are mutilated is that it is not easy to cut a person up. Like, how strong was she?
[00:45:11] Speaker C: I've heard.
[00:45:12] Speaker A: I mean, she was a man.
[00:45:14] Speaker B: I thought it was a woman to.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: A man prior to.
[00:45:16] Speaker C: Was it a woman to stabbing somebody? Feels like when you cut into a chicken breast, a thick one.
[00:45:25] Speaker B: That's what she just.
Okay, so are we talking about, like.
[00:45:28] Speaker C: This way or like we're talking about like, this? Either way, if you doing this or you doing this, you know how y'all done?
[00:45:39] Speaker B: Well, cutting into a chicken breast isn't Very hard. I make my salads and I saute my things.
[00:45:43] Speaker C: But you have to take that chicken breast and add ribs on the outside and bone.
[00:45:49] Speaker B: Get into bone.
[00:45:50] Speaker C: Or unless you're cutting cartilage or like something, you have to consider. There's the chicken breast, but there's also the protective hair on the outside.
[00:46:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's gross.
[00:46:03] Speaker C: That means force, that means aggression. But it's a 70 something year old man. You know, Oleg is strong.
[00:46:12] Speaker B: Okay, so it was a man to a woman.
[00:46:14] Speaker A: Crazy old people are strong.
I feel like you're gonna be an old serial killer because you're gonna wait till you're like 80 and be like, I've always wanted to do this.
Come here. Chicken breast.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: She said it was like chicken. I don't eat meat now, but I'll cut some up for you. That's what I'm gonna say.
[00:46:32] Speaker A: And you're not gonna have no teeth while you do it either.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: I don't eat meat, so it's all good.
[00:46:37] Speaker C: I do think there's a lot of, like, older people. And when I say older, I mean like the old men that are like 75 plus, especially the country ones. I definitely think they've definitely underlie somebody.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: And they have all this time and opportunity to do it.
[00:46:54] Speaker C: These old men. Ain't nobody gonna research this. It wasn't no DNA analysis. What? No dad glasses, science lab? It was nothing. It was just farm.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: Lord have mercy.
[00:47:05] Speaker C: If we're exporting tobacco, the tobacco probably had bodies up under. So you smoking that pack?
[00:47:12] Speaker A: Oh, my God. There's doing that straight opium, if you think about it.
[00:47:19] Speaker B: Right. Well, listen, we could probably sit here and talk for a whole nother hour because this has been the fastest hour that I think we've recorded.
[00:47:27] Speaker C: Yeah, I just looked at the clock and was like, dang, we're over already.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: We might have to have a part two. Like, we can do a part two.
[00:47:37] Speaker C: Because I got more stuff. I can talk about my personal things, my personal involvings in people that I know that have killed people.
[00:47:43] Speaker B: First of all, when you say personal involvings, were you the one shopping at the Lowe's? Is that your personal involvement?
[00:47:49] Speaker C: I would never go to Lowe's because they have closed caps and tv.
[00:47:53] Speaker B: Okay, okay. I can't. If people want to find you on social media, how can our viewers reach you?
She slides.
[00:48:03] Speaker A: Look, there she goes.
[00:48:05] Speaker C: You can follow me on all social media platforms at nkillincolor. One word. That's it.
[00:48:13] Speaker A: That's it.
[00:48:13] Speaker B: That's it.
[00:48:14] Speaker A: That's it. Look at that everybody who's viewing it, you can see it right here on the screen. And she got a cute ass logo that looks like the old In Living Color. I know. It's such a play on words. And I love it. I love it, I love it. Nick B. Where can they find you?
[00:48:28] Speaker B: Yes, well, if you want to reach me, I can be found, of course, on all platforms for Dirty Roses podcast, but you can also find me specifically on Instagram @nickbnickb. That is Nick with a K and Ms. Lee Laree. Where can we find you?
[00:48:43] Speaker A: I mean, y'all can find me everywhere, but right here in this building. You can find me here because the Poetic justice foundation gave us this nice space for us to use to record our podcast. So we have completely taken over their space. We've brought in our props and our sets. We took their videographers and made them ours. We've taken this stuff that was in the building and used it for props, too. So, you know, shout out to David Ferguson, who we call the Popcorn Poppy. Popcorn Poppy. But the Poetic justice foundation does amazing work. They're creating sustainable wealth for the black communities through education, outreach, and action. If you want to learn more about their mission and what they do, check them out@the poeticjusticefoundation.org you can donate so they can keep doing good work like this. But in the meantime, if you ain't here, you can find me on social media. It's Lila Re L E I G H L A R I E. And of course, @dirtyrosespodcast.com where you can listen to all four seasons. Catch up on what we've got so far for season five. Leave us a review, a voicemail feedback if you want to donate. So we can keep doing this, too. Holla at your girl. Do something strange for a little bit of change.
[00:49:51] Speaker B: Go.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: We got our. Our madam over here, so she. She take care of us.
But thank you again so much for joining us. I love it. Hopefully we'll see you at another podcast fest, and maybe we'll see you for part two.
[00:50:09] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:50:10] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:50:11] Speaker C: Love you guys.
[00:50:12] Speaker A: Oh, I don't know why I said that. Don't want to kill you. Bye.
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